LiveFlood blog: Tuesday, February 11

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Summary

  • Dozens of roads still shut
  • Abingdon Road shut but Botley Road open
  • Train services to Paddington very badly affected, by both flooding at Hinksey and Kennington and flood-related signalling problems between Twyford and Maidenhead so First Great Western are advising looking for other routes into the capital
  • Heavy rain for Tuesday morning
  • Thames throughout Oxford and further south and east on flood warning

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7:08am Tue 11 Feb 14

kikirem says...

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  • Score: 2

8:52am Tue 11 Feb 14

the wizard says...

While this weather has brought about chaos, it is also a fact that the rest of mainland Europe has had a hammering too. It would be of interest to see how they are coping with the situation, especially the Dutch who live in constant threat of flooding. Their water management techniques may be something we could learn from. We really do need to get measures in place this summer/autumn to avoid this situation repeating itself. Putting physical measures in place will also put money into industry and maybe even get people out of unemployment , surely a bonus even if it is for a short while.Meanwhile we must be more pro active in the future, and who ever is in government needs to LISTEN to what they are being told and act with budget and resources, not budget caps on what can be done.
While this weather has brought about chaos, it is also a fact that the rest of mainland Europe has had a hammering too. It would be of interest to see how they are coping with the situation, especially the Dutch who live in constant threat of flooding. Their water management techniques may be something we could learn from. We really do need to get measures in place this summer/autumn to avoid this situation repeating itself. Putting physical measures in place will also put money into industry and maybe even get people out of unemployment , surely a bonus even if it is for a short while.Meanwhile we must be more pro active in the future, and who ever is in government needs to LISTEN to what they are being told and act with budget and resources, not budget caps on what can be done. the wizard
  • Score: 4

9:11am Tue 11 Feb 14

Englishman says...

I wonder why this year Witney has not flooded? Other years when there has been less water Witney has suffered but this year places in Oxford and below are suffering more but not Witney. Couldn't have anything to do with Davy Boy being PM could it.?
I wonder why this year Witney has not flooded? Other years when there has been less water Witney has suffered but this year places in Oxford and below are suffering more but not Witney. Couldn't have anything to do with Davy Boy being PM could it.? Englishman
  • Score: 3

10:37am Tue 11 Feb 14

henryhs says...

what is the picture of at 10:10 by Alan Crowder? i cant seem to make it out.
what is the picture of at 10:10 by Alan Crowder? i cant seem to make it out. henryhs
  • Score: 0

11:41am Tue 11 Feb 14

morrismac says...

I think it's the famous Abingdon Road Submarine Expedition.
I think it's the famous Abingdon Road Submarine Expedition. morrismac
  • Score: 2

12:11pm Tue 11 Feb 14

the wizard says...

Englishman wrote:
I wonder why this year Witney has not flooded? Other years when there has been less water Witney has suffered but this year places in Oxford and below are suffering more but not Witney. Couldn't have anything to do with Davy Boy being PM could it.?
WODC put measures in place after the big flood when Witney nearly lost its only river crossing. Since then things haven't been quite so bad. Please note its is only the Windrush that flows through Witney, not the Thames.

At least WODC learned from events, why haven't other towns along the way done the same.

Anyway " Double Dip,lets blame anyone right now Dave" lives in Dean which is a few miles away from Witney. Strange how he is promising money and resources now, after the devastation rather than previously, or did he really think he could be a chancer and get away with it . He has failed the nation, and this mess is going to cost a lot to put right. Hopefully now an ongoing programme will be evolved to safe guard the coastal areas which have become damaged and also an ongoing river maintenance and land drainage project to help protect not only the Somerset levels but also communities along rivers. Although devastating I feel things could have easily been a lot worse.
[quote][p][bold]Englishman[/bold] wrote: I wonder why this year Witney has not flooded? Other years when there has been less water Witney has suffered but this year places in Oxford and below are suffering more but not Witney. Couldn't have anything to do with Davy Boy being PM could it.?[/p][/quote]WODC put measures in place after the big flood when Witney nearly lost its only river crossing. Since then things haven't been quite so bad. Please note its is only the Windrush that flows through Witney, not the Thames. At least WODC learned from events, why haven't other towns along the way done the same. Anyway " Double Dip,lets blame anyone right now Dave" lives in Dean which is a few miles away from Witney. Strange how he is promising money and resources now, after the devastation rather than previously, or did he really think he could be a chancer and get away with it . He has failed the nation, and this mess is going to cost a lot to put right. Hopefully now an ongoing programme will be evolved to safe guard the coastal areas which have become damaged and also an ongoing river maintenance and land drainage project to help protect not only the Somerset levels but also communities along rivers. Although devastating I feel things could have easily been a lot worse. the wizard
  • Score: 4

12:57pm Tue 11 Feb 14

train passenger says...

There is a huge case for spending many billions on Britain's crumbling infrastructure. From high quality roads that do not continuously generate potholes, railway lines needing electrification and much higher speeds, A34 and others that ought to be M (not A) to housing stock of higher quality, proper cycle paths, sewer systems and well-functioning airports. As the wizard says above there are lessons to be learnt from other countries, but most of all it requires a willingness to invest and to completely ignore vested interests and nimbies. Therefore I can't see it happen unfortunately, politicians lack the courage.
There is a huge case for spending many billions on Britain's crumbling infrastructure. From high quality roads that do not continuously generate potholes, railway lines needing electrification and much higher speeds, A34 and others that ought to be M (not A) to housing stock of higher quality, proper cycle paths, sewer systems and well-functioning airports. As the wizard says above there are lessons to be learnt from other countries, but most of all it requires a willingness to invest and to completely ignore vested interests and nimbies. Therefore I can't see it happen unfortunately, politicians lack the courage. train passenger
  • Score: 4

1:08pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

12:53pm

Eric Pickles, Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, has now arrived in Oxford to see the flooding.

He is in the Botley Road area talking to county council staff and it is understood that his next stop will be Bullstake Close.

Don't let him get too near the water, remember Archimedes principle.....;-)
12:53pm Eric Pickles, Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, has now arrived in Oxford to see the flooding. He is in the Botley Road area talking to county council staff and it is understood that his next stop will be Bullstake Close. Don't let him get too near the water, remember Archimedes principle.....;-) Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 3

1:18pm Tue 11 Feb 14

BigAlBiker says...

henryhs wrote:
what is the picture of at 10:10 by Alan Crowder? i cant seem to make it out.
Its a Submarine cruising down, taken by my SBS mate on undercover operations.
[quote][p][bold]henryhs[/bold] wrote: what is the picture of at 10:10 by Alan Crowder? i cant seem to make it out.[/p][/quote]Its a Submarine cruising down, taken by my SBS mate on undercover operations. BigAlBiker
  • Score: 2

1:34pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Englishman says...

Yes Wizard I agree with you. Living in Witney myself I have not seen much action by WODC. But if you let a little more water over Northmoor weir it is possible to get a lower level on the Windrush. Only trouble the Thames then has more water in it below that lock. Then bring the Evenlode and Cherwell into play and the three combined put more water into the Oxford area. Then it escalates as one goes further down the Thames. It seems that some people are now waking up and realising we need to rebuild the infrastructure in this Country before giving money to Foreigners. Let hope the Politician do the same but they seem more concerned about wasting time and money trying to stop people smoking in their cars. As for the Badger cull, don't worry they are all drowned.
Yes Wizard I agree with you. Living in Witney myself I have not seen much action by WODC. But if you let a little more water over Northmoor weir it is possible to get a lower level on the Windrush. Only trouble the Thames then has more water in it below that lock. Then bring the Evenlode and Cherwell into play and the three combined put more water into the Oxford area. Then it escalates as one goes further down the Thames. It seems that some people are now waking up and realising we need to rebuild the infrastructure in this Country before giving money to Foreigners. Let hope the Politician do the same but they seem more concerned about wasting time and money trying to stop people smoking in their cars. As for the Badger cull, don't worry they are all drowned. Englishman
  • Score: 0

2:54pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Wet Feet says...

Maybe Eric Pickles should come down Abingdon Road and have a look at where flood defence work isn't so successful!
Maybe Eric Pickles should come down Abingdon Road and have a look at where flood defence work isn't so successful! Wet Feet
  • Score: 1

3:03pm Tue 11 Feb 14

the wizard says...

Englishman wrote:
Yes Wizard I agree with you. Living in Witney myself I have not seen much action by WODC. But if you let a little more water over Northmoor weir it is possible to get a lower level on the Windrush. Only trouble the Thames then has more water in it below that lock. Then bring the Evenlode and Cherwell into play and the three combined put more water into the Oxford area. Then it escalates as one goes further down the Thames. It seems that some people are now waking up and realising we need to rebuild the infrastructure in this Country before giving money to Foreigners. Let hope the Politician do the same but they seem more concerned about wasting time and money trying to stop people smoking in their cars. As for the Badger cull, don't worry they are all drowned.
WODC put measures in place a few years back to prevent a deluge scenario hitting Witney, and others could have done the same but didn't. As per usual the people in charge of Oxford City have hidden there heads in the dark place they have always been kept and have done between naught and zero over the years, hence the age old problems keep occurring.

All the talk now of a diversion channel, why wait until now, have the last ten winters and times of above average rainfall taught them nothing. They have millions of pounds of reserves, add to that they could have approached our government and the EU for assistance in funding for such a fundamental project. The answer to the seriousness in which they view the now annual problem is the Abingdon and Botley road areas.
Ask yourselves, do these people deserve your vote ??
[quote][p][bold]Englishman[/bold] wrote: Yes Wizard I agree with you. Living in Witney myself I have not seen much action by WODC. But if you let a little more water over Northmoor weir it is possible to get a lower level on the Windrush. Only trouble the Thames then has more water in it below that lock. Then bring the Evenlode and Cherwell into play and the three combined put more water into the Oxford area. Then it escalates as one goes further down the Thames. It seems that some people are now waking up and realising we need to rebuild the infrastructure in this Country before giving money to Foreigners. Let hope the Politician do the same but they seem more concerned about wasting time and money trying to stop people smoking in their cars. As for the Badger cull, don't worry they are all drowned.[/p][/quote]WODC put measures in place a few years back to prevent a deluge scenario hitting Witney, and others could have done the same but didn't. As per usual the people in charge of Oxford City have hidden there heads in the dark place they have always been kept and have done between naught and zero over the years, hence the age old problems keep occurring. All the talk now of a diversion channel, why wait until now, have the last ten winters and times of above average rainfall taught them nothing. They have millions of pounds of reserves, add to that they could have approached our government and the EU for assistance in funding for such a fundamental project. The answer to the seriousness in which they view the now annual problem is the Abingdon and Botley road areas. Ask yourselves, do these people deserve your vote ?? the wizard
  • Score: 3

3:33pm Tue 11 Feb 14

mytaxes says...

I remember Gordon Brown promising the earth after the 2007 floods and then cutting funding to the EA. I believe Nicola Blackwood will do her best to make sure something is done.
I remember Gordon Brown promising the earth after the 2007 floods and then cutting funding to the EA. I believe Nicola Blackwood will do her best to make sure something is done. mytaxes
  • Score: 2

5:57pm Tue 11 Feb 14

the wizard says...

mytaxes wrote:
I remember Gordon Brown promising the earth after the 2007 floods and then cutting funding to the EA. I believe Nicola Blackwood will do her best to make sure something is done.
While we are all quite rightly very concerned with our own area this mess is nation wide, most communities need help to some degree, so it seems to me that a new National Rivers and Coastline protection agency needs to be set up with enough staff and on going budget until we are on top of the situation. Said agency to have the power to do things in a right and balanced manner so as to stop nimbies getting in the way and preventing progress. It is only when somebody who is rational, firm but fair and positive takes over that we will go forward as a nation. Obviously in time staffing and budget can be cut, but only when the job is done. We need a radical re think and a good look at The Netherlands and learn from them. Time for everyone to bond in together and try and make sure this doesn't happen again, and politics need to be taken out of the equation, because it rains who ever is in No 10, and all the political parties need to realize that, after all, we the tax payers are paying their wages and we want value for money from those people, not them sitting on the fence hoping it will all go away by itself.
[quote][p][bold]mytaxes[/bold] wrote: I remember Gordon Brown promising the earth after the 2007 floods and then cutting funding to the EA. I believe Nicola Blackwood will do her best to make sure something is done.[/p][/quote]While we are all quite rightly very concerned with our own area this mess is nation wide, most communities need help to some degree, so it seems to me that a new National Rivers and Coastline protection agency needs to be set up with enough staff and on going budget until we are on top of the situation. Said agency to have the power to do things in a right and balanced manner so as to stop nimbies getting in the way and preventing progress. It is only when somebody who is rational, firm but fair and positive takes over that we will go forward as a nation. Obviously in time staffing and budget can be cut, but only when the job is done. We need a radical re think and a good look at The Netherlands and learn from them. Time for everyone to bond in together and try and make sure this doesn't happen again, and politics need to be taken out of the equation, because it rains who ever is in No 10, and all the political parties need to realize that, after all, we the tax payers are paying their wages and we want value for money from those people, not them sitting on the fence hoping it will all go away by itself. the wizard
  • Score: -1

6:47pm Tue 11 Feb 14

A Scroat says...

Now is really the time to stop the aid to Pakistan and other terrorist harbouring countries and fix our problems before it is too late.
Now is really the time to stop the aid to Pakistan and other terrorist harbouring countries and fix our problems before it is too late. A Scroat
  • Score: 4

9:17pm Tue 11 Feb 14

John Hatch says...

At 8.30pm on Tuesday, Kennington Road was clear of water apart from a small puddle at the foot of the slip road that gives access to the west-bound carriageway of the Southern Bypass. Vehicles could easily have got through the puddle.
However, access between Kennington and Oxford was barred by a road-block and a temporary dam which stretched across the road and was nowhere near any water.
For all the good work being done in other parts of the area, the Vale of White Horse seem to have a policy of causing serious inconvenience to motorists needing access between Kennington and Oxford. Moreover, having built their road-block, the authority officials seem to disappear and not monitor the situation.
At 8.30pm on Tuesday, Kennington Road was clear of water apart from a small puddle at the foot of the slip road that gives access to the west-bound carriageway of the Southern Bypass. Vehicles could easily have got through the puddle. However, access between Kennington and Oxford was barred by a road-block and a temporary dam which stretched across the road and was nowhere near any water. For all the good work being done in other parts of the area, the Vale of White Horse seem to have a policy of causing serious inconvenience to motorists needing access between Kennington and Oxford. Moreover, having built their road-block, the authority officials seem to disappear and not monitor the situation. John Hatch
  • Score: 0

3:52pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Cityview says...

The proposed western relief channel is costed at £123 million and there are still questions about its possible effectiveness and value for money in protecting property. All it will do is possibly move more water downstream faster towards the narrow exit from the Oxford basin at Kennington / Sandford. Best science seems to be to slow and hold water flow on flood plain so it can be discharged slower.

This is what has happened on a small scale behind the portable barriers being used by fire and rescue at the low points on Botley Road, Ferry Hinksey Rd etc. For example Oatlands Road rec is now flooded a few inches deeper but the substation in Ferry Hinksey Road has not been flooded and Osney Mead has remained open. In terms of protecting local properties, power supplies and keeping Oxford open for business these temporary barriers have been incredibly cost effective.

Surely a cheaper solution is to make these temporary barriers permanent. Replace the inflated hoses and sandbags with low waterproofed block walls along existing fence / hedge lines. Put in a couple of underground sumps and electric pumps under the road and you should be able to do the job for less than a £million. My understanding is that similar underground pumps in the dip under the Botley railway bridge have kept it dry for years.

Such a scheme could easily be in place before next winters floods.
The proposed western relief channel is costed at £123 million and there are still questions about its possible effectiveness and value for money in protecting property. All it will do is possibly move more water downstream faster towards the narrow exit from the Oxford basin at Kennington / Sandford. Best science seems to be to slow and hold water flow on flood plain so it can be discharged slower. This is what has happened on a small scale behind the portable barriers being used by fire and rescue at the low points on Botley Road, Ferry Hinksey Rd etc. For example Oatlands Road rec is now flooded a few inches deeper but the substation in Ferry Hinksey Road has not been flooded and Osney Mead has remained open. In terms of protecting local properties, power supplies and keeping Oxford open for business these temporary barriers have been incredibly cost effective. Surely a cheaper solution is to make these temporary barriers permanent. Replace the inflated hoses and sandbags with low waterproofed block walls along existing fence / hedge lines. Put in a couple of underground sumps and electric pumps under the road and you should be able to do the job for less than a £million. My understanding is that similar underground pumps in the dip under the Botley railway bridge have kept it dry for years. Such a scheme could easily be in place before next winters floods. Cityview
  • Score: 0

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