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6:35pm Thu 22 Nov 12

King Joke says...

Good God - if we had 20 cm of rain in a day most of Abingdon would be under water. Annual rainfall is around 700 mm!
Good God - if we had 20 cm [200 mm] of rain in a day most of Abingdon would be under water. Annual rainfall is around 700 mm! King Joke
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11:33am Fri 23 Nov 12

xjohnx says...

I can't help thinking that this chain of stories about the weather is just a cheap and quick way of filling the page.

The editor needs changing, perhaps.
I can't help thinking that this chain of stories about the weather is just a cheap and quick way of filling the page. The editor needs changing, perhaps. xjohnx
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3:44pm Fri 23 Nov 12

King Joke says...

Yes, true. It's a bit like downloads and music; the business model has been turned on its head. With music, touring has become the only way of earning a crust; what you can do with newspapers I don't know. If you're The Times you can throw up a paywall, but I don't think this would work for the OM.
Yes, true. It's a bit like downloads and music; the business model has been turned on its head. With music, touring has become the only way of earning a crust; what you can do with newspapers I don't know. If you're The Times you can throw up a paywall, but I don't think this would work for the OM. King Joke
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4:43pm Fri 23 Nov 12

xjohnx says...

Wrong I'm afraid.

This site is a profitable teaser for the 'print' version. Very few stories but all tend to make readers buy the paper for the full newspaper experiance.

'On line' advertising helps as well!
Wrong I'm afraid. This site is a profitable teaser for the 'print' version. Very few stories but all tend to make readers buy the paper for the full newspaper experiance. 'On line' advertising helps as well! xjohnx
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6:38pm Fri 23 Nov 12

King Joke says...

Nothing on this site encourages me to buy the print version - why would I when I've read it already?

A lot of newspapers are struggling.
Nothing on this site encourages me to buy the print version - why would I when I've read it already? A lot of newspapers are struggling. King Joke
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9:32am Sun 25 Nov 12

danpearce says...

This particular page has been extremely beneficial to those (including me) at risk from flooding. This is exactly what you want and expect from a local service, thank you for the updates. What I don't understand is the level of criticism from people still reading the site, if you don't like it the buy The Daily Mail and moan to them! The OM and Witney Gazette are great outfits reporting on the relevant national but also local 'smaller' stories which I read online every day.
This particular page has been extremely beneficial to those (including me) at risk from flooding. This is exactly what you want and expect from a local service, thank you for the updates. What I don't understand is the level of criticism from people still reading the site, if you don't like it the buy The Daily Mail and moan to them! The OM and Witney Gazette are great outfits reporting on the relevant national but also local 'smaller' stories which I read online every day. danpearce
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8:39am Mon 26 Nov 12

EricTheRed says...

There seems to be some holes in the data.. What about the flooding at Clifton Hampden, Sutton Courtneny and Abingdon?? why does the map stop at oxford?
There seems to be some holes in the data.. What about the flooding at Clifton Hampden, Sutton Courtneny and Abingdon?? why does the map stop at oxford? EricTheRed
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2:25pm Mon 26 Nov 12

mytaxes says...

Thanks to Oxford Mail for the updates.
Thanks to Oxford Mail for the updates. mytaxes
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9:27am Tue 27 Nov 12

oxfordbuddy says...

Just been filling sandbags at PC World in the Botley road. We were all commenting on the council workmen sitting cosily chatting in their cab while we, older women included, staggered around with sandbags. What is this country coming to, no sense of commonality at all. Was in New York while the hurricane was on, despite everything everyone says about Americans, they were definitely all in it together and all public officials were going out of their way to be helpful to everyone. I'd emigrate if I could.
Just been filling sandbags at PC World in the Botley road. We were all commenting on the council workmen sitting cosily chatting in their cab while we, older women included, staggered around with sandbags. What is this country coming to, no sense of commonality at all. Was in New York while the hurricane was on, despite everything everyone says about Americans, they were definitely all in it together and all public officials were going out of their way to be helpful to everyone. I'd emigrate if I could. oxfordbuddy
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9:32am Tue 27 Nov 12

King Joke says...

What a patronising attitude Oxfordbuddy. How did you know the workers weren't having their first break since an 0500 start? How on Earth did you think the sand got onto the lorries in the first place? Fairies?

Please be in possession of the facts before condemning people you know nothing about.

My memories of 2007 is that all authorities, public and private, including the Police, Envt Agency, Southern Electric and Ox City Council were fantastic in handling sandbags, power cuts, vulnerable residents and so on.
What a patronising attitude Oxfordbuddy. How did you know the workers weren't having their first break since an 0500 start? How on Earth did you think the sand got onto the lorries in the first place? Fairies? Please be in possession of the facts before condemning people you know nothing about. My memories of 2007 is that all authorities, public and private, including the Police, Envt Agency, Southern Electric and Ox City Council were fantastic in handling sandbags, power cuts, vulnerable residents and so on. King Joke
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9:34am Tue 27 Nov 12

Red Robbo 2 says...

"Alternative travel on CrossCountry and Freightliner is advised."

More rubbish from someone who probably thinks trains are built by Hornby. Does one sit on top of the (Freightliner) container or hang on to the sides?
"Alternative travel on CrossCountry and Freightliner is advised." More rubbish from someone who probably thinks trains are built by Hornby. Does one sit on top of the (Freightliner) container or hang on to the sides? Red Robbo 2
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9:43am Tue 27 Nov 12

oxfordbuddy says...

My experience in New York was of everyone working tirelessly with no breaks. How long a break do you need exactly? I was filling sandbags for a good half an hour. I don't think I am patronising, I think England is going down the drain. No one cares about anyone else anymore. There was a report on the radio recently saying just that.
My experience in New York was of everyone working tirelessly with no breaks. How long a break do you need exactly? I was filling sandbags for a good half an hour. I don't think I am patronising, I think England is going down the drain. No one cares about anyone else anymore. There was a report on the radio recently saying just that. oxfordbuddy
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9:43am Tue 27 Nov 12

oxfordbuddy says...

My experience in New York was of everyone working tirelessly with no breaks. How long a break do you need exactly? I was filling sandbags for a good half an hour. I don't think I am patronising, I think England is going down the drain. No one cares about anyone else anymore. There was a report on the radio recently saying just that.
My experience in New York was of everyone working tirelessly with no breaks. How long a break do you need exactly? I was filling sandbags for a good half an hour. I don't think I am patronising, I think England is going down the drain. No one cares about anyone else anymore. There was a report on the radio recently saying just that. oxfordbuddy
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10:00am Tue 27 Nov 12

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

Thank God those now in charge were no where to be seen during the Blitz. It rains and the county city grinds to a halt, it snows and the city grinds to a halt. Pathetic is the only word that can sum up those supposedly in charge, not like we didn't know this was coming.
Thank God those now in charge were no where to be seen during the Blitz. It rains and the county city grinds to a halt, it snows and the city grinds to a halt. Pathetic is the only word that can sum up those supposedly in charge, not like we didn't know this was coming. Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
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2:31pm Tue 27 Nov 12

King Joke says...

Sandy, please suggest a course of action when flooding is imminent - what should the authorities have done differently? Steered the rainclouds away over the sea? Put elevated platforms along the Abingdon Rd to drive along? I'm all ears.
Sandy, please suggest a course of action when flooding is imminent - what should the authorities have done differently? Steered the rainclouds away over the sea? Put elevated platforms along the Abingdon Rd to drive along? I'm all ears. King Joke
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3:35pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

King Joke wrote:
Sandy, please suggest a course of action when flooding is imminent - what should the authorities have done differently? Steered the rainclouds away over the sea? Put elevated platforms along the Abingdon Rd to drive along? I'm all ears.
Had in place i.e delivered to known flood risk locations sandbags in sufficient quantities. Stop granting planning permission in areas known to flood. Pre check all drains, streams and run off's for debris prior to arrival of severe weather. None of this has been done on this occasion or any other and as usual it is a case of 'planning after the event'.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: Sandy, please suggest a course of action when flooding is imminent - what should the authorities have done differently? Steered the rainclouds away over the sea? Put elevated platforms along the Abingdon Rd to drive along? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Had in place i.e delivered to known flood risk locations sandbags in sufficient quantities. Stop granting planning permission in areas known to flood. Pre check all drains, streams and run off's for debris prior to arrival of severe weather. None of this has been done on this occasion or any other and as usual it is a case of 'planning after the event'. Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
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3:49pm Tue 27 Nov 12

King Joke says...

Ha ha Sandy, good guess mate, but mostly wrong.

We get leafleted by the local residents' flooding pressure group. They have detailed all the stuff that the EA and the City Council have done in the five years since the last flooding event. All the local ditches have been dug out with diggers, a lot of the culverts under the railway line to Didcot and the Kennington Rd have been replaced and enlarged, and flood barriers have been procured - one of these is now in situ by Hinksey Lake.

As regards planning - the City has its hands tied when turning down planning applications. If it doesn't have a copper-bottomed reason for turning down housing developments it can lose the decision on appeal, at further cost to the taxpayer. This is of course about to get worse as the Coalition is scrapping a lot of planning laws in a bid 'to cut red tape' and 'get the economy moving'. None of this is the City's fault.

At any rate, as you should know, development in Oxford will only have a limited effect on flooding. The widespread flooding we see is because the Thames is at capacity. The Thames catchment area upstream of Oxford is large, and includes the eastern half of the Cotswolds, east of the watershed. Much of this is undeveloped. The flooding is caused not by overdevelopment but by - wait for it - heavy rain, pure and simple.
Ha ha Sandy, good guess mate, but mostly wrong. We get leafleted by the local residents' flooding pressure group. They have detailed all the stuff that the EA and the City Council have done in the five years since the last flooding event. All the local ditches have been dug out with diggers, a lot of the culverts under the railway line to Didcot and the Kennington Rd have been replaced and enlarged, and flood barriers have been procured - one of these is now in situ by Hinksey Lake. As regards planning - the City has its hands tied when turning down planning applications. If it doesn't have a copper-bottomed reason for turning down housing developments it can lose the decision on appeal, at further cost to the taxpayer. This is of course about to get worse as the Coalition is scrapping a lot of planning laws in a bid 'to cut red tape' and 'get the economy moving'. None of this is the City's fault. At any rate, as you should know, development in Oxford will only have a limited effect on flooding. The widespread flooding we see is because the Thames is at capacity. The Thames catchment area upstream of Oxford is large, and includes the eastern half of the Cotswolds, east of the watershed. Much of this is undeveloped. The flooding is caused not by overdevelopment but by - wait for it - heavy rain, pure and simple. King Joke
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7:40pm Tue 27 Nov 12

saysme36 says...

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
King Joke wrote:
Sandy, please suggest a course of action when flooding is imminent - what should the authorities have done differently? Steered the rainclouds away over the sea? Put elevated platforms along the Abingdon Rd to drive along? I'm all ears.
Had in place i.e delivered to known flood risk locations sandbags in sufficient quantities. Stop granting planning permission in areas known to flood. Pre check all drains, streams and run off's for debris prior to arrival of severe weather. None of this has been done on this occasion or any other and as usual it is a case of 'planning after the event'.
Have to agree with King Joke I live near a river in Abingdon and since 2007 the Environment Agency are regularly there clearing the river and the drains have been cleaned fairly regularly too so I agree that the authorities have been proactive in dealing with flooding. Not sure what more they could have done. Sandbags are available in several places in Abingdon too so not sure what more could be done to deal with what are exceptional circumstances without the Council being criticised for wasting money preparing for something that might never happen.
[quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: Sandy, please suggest a course of action when flooding is imminent - what should the authorities have done differently? Steered the rainclouds away over the sea? Put elevated platforms along the Abingdon Rd to drive along? I'm all ears.[/p][/quote]Had in place i.e delivered to known flood risk locations sandbags in sufficient quantities. Stop granting planning permission in areas known to flood. Pre check all drains, streams and run off's for debris prior to arrival of severe weather. None of this has been done on this occasion or any other and as usual it is a case of 'planning after the event'.[/p][/quote]Have to agree with King Joke I live near a river in Abingdon and since 2007 the Environment Agency are regularly there clearing the river and the drains have been cleaned fairly regularly too so I agree that the authorities have been proactive in dealing with flooding. Not sure what more they could have done. Sandbags are available in several places in Abingdon too so not sure what more could be done to deal with what are exceptional circumstances without the Council being criticised for wasting money preparing for something that might never happen. saysme36
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